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I agree with the gay atheist…

March 7, 2011

Christians are often in the UK news at the moment, more often than not as the law courts tell us to stop doing or saying things which clash with the liberal secular agenda. The most recent of news articles has been in reference to the case of Christian foster parents, who had fostered over twenty children during their time, being told that they could no longer adopt because they would tell their foster children about their views if the child asked. The subject was raised on the BBC’s ‘Question Time‘ which included on its panel, amongst others  a current Conservative Cabinet minister, a former Labour Cabinet minister and a gay, atheist historian David Starkey; out of all of them, Starkey made most sense.

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  1. March 7, 2011 2:07 pm

    Hi mike,

    Is the video of the program posted in this article? Either a pic or video is and for some reason my computer won’t let me see the image/video..could you post a link to it from it’s source, I’d love to check it out!
    Thanks 🙂

  2. March 7, 2011 2:37 pm

    That was a thought provoking discussion between the panelists..thanks for sharing. I agree, in this instance David Starkey really drove it home, I particularly agreed when he said :” A new sort of liberal morality is coming in..which is as intolerant, oppressive and intrusive into family life….We are producing a new tryanny.”

    People need to feel the freedom to express their religious and political views, even if it doesn’t go with the norm and mainstream ideals that are included within the realm of being “politically correct”. To be punished by society (by not being allowed to adopt more children) because of one’s personal opinion, to me is wrong. Once people feel they have to keep quiet about their beliefs and cower beneath the looming consequences of the majority, that is tyranny indeed.

    Thanks for sharing this Mike!

  3. March 7, 2011 2:40 pm

    Starkey didn’t make the most sense, he made perfect sense! If only more Atheists took his view of ‘tollerence’ in the classical sense.

  4. Jan Neel permalink
    April 22, 2011 3:22 pm

    I agree Starkey made perfect sense. Intolerance works both ways, I see it here in Oregon frequently, A liberal State.

  5. April 23, 2011 11:56 pm

    Sounds like a deep situation for all involved. I don’t necessarily agree with everything they are doing, but I can see both sides.

  6. May 28, 2011 3:46 pm

    I go Atheist gay every time. There is no place for a foster parent to judge their fostered childs beliefs or sexuality. Love and nurture… love and nurture.


  7. May 28, 2011 6:30 pm

    Wow! David Starkey displays wisdom that all too many lack. I have to agree with him that indeed the new liberal morality is tyrannical and intolerant of those who hold different views – and, I might add, this PC fanaticism seems hypocritical to me. I’d never seen it this way until hearing him make this passionate declaration. It’s good to know that there are some ‘thinkers’ out there.

  8. May 28, 2011 8:32 pm

    I feel for the foster parents – they’re being persecuted for doing the right thing. However, Jesus said it’d be like that (2 Tim 3:12) and the following verses also came to mind:

    1Pe 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
    1Pe 2:20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
    1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

    There was a time that Christian morality was favoured in society, but those days are long past.

  9. May 28, 2011 9:38 pm

    Hello Mike –

    I do not believe the state has any right what-so-ever to interject their own governmental beliefs in to this very personal matter. Further more, when you listen to the older gray haired woman whom is speaking, she in fact is doing what the state has judged the adopting couple is doing. Even more so in my view. The questions the state should be conducting a deeper look in to is are parents suitable to adopt: are they loving…and their values sound…have they any experience in parenting? Take a look at their track record. My goodness, the governing counsel is all wacked out. Good post sir. 🙂

  10. May 30, 2011 6:02 am


    This is really F’d up… What does gay have to do with anything…. Gay people really are we living in the dark ages here. This makes me sick… Gay people are no different than any body else that walk this earth….. This is why people are so f’d in the head…


    • May 30, 2011 9:24 am

      Thanks for your thoughts Jessica. The fact that gay is mentioned is simply because usually the Christian community and the gay community are on opposite sides when it comes to discussions about morality. However, in this video David Starkey stands up for the rights of Christian parents. This isn’t an attack on gay people!

  11. November 16, 2011 3:22 pm

    Starkey was refreshingly astute and clear cut. Whether it’s iron-fisted tyranny or soft tyranny, at the end of the day, it’s tyranny. And it is ridiculous to imagine a parent that does NOT communicate and transmit their values to the children under their care.

    If the state is going to pursue that line, then they need to scrub the presence of Christ and Christianity out of all their services. But what you’re left with at that point is a vapid and hollow society, ready to be seduced by any number of ideologies.

    It’s a tension between Christian values and state supervision, yes, but one that needs to be managed, not eliminated.

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